tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15586866.post5327317509629441473..comments2023-12-24T12:00:43.714-05:00Comments on Tune: Kings Lynn: Defrocking by Some Other NameC. Wingatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13335513246185768918noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15586866.post-40964975691284357642012-12-07T23:35:42.822-05:002012-12-07T23:35:42.822-05:00From what I gather, this was move on the part of 8...From what I gather, this was move on the part of 815 to try and stop some of the abuse, and there is no other word for it, going on down there. One of my friends has been told that she is excommunicate until she "repents" of her support she voiced for the petition to the PB. Tyranny is in the eye of the beholder, and rough treatment for a lying bully who like to play with fire hardly strikes me as such.Frair Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03855036304956508405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15586866.post-39407795250032096932012-12-06T23:09:32.831-05:002012-12-06T23:09:32.831-05:00If it's to Lawrence's advantage to be perc...If it's to Lawrence's advantage to be perceived as the victim of unfair and ill-executed process, then to take away that advantage, it is necessary that the process be fair and properly executed. As I said at the start of this, there was always a better road to addressing his supposed canonical violations: going down the normal church discipline paths and depose him that way. OK, and maybe I can entertain the idea that the intent is not malicious, but then the alternative explanation is stupidity: there is no way that these shortcuts-through-misrepresentation aren't going to look bad in a USA where, after all, we do have some definite notions about what due process looks like. If 815 didn't act badly in exactly the way that its opponents claim it acts, it wouldn't be so easy to complain about their tyranny.C. Wingatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13335513246185768918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15586866.post-40410126388285354582012-12-06T21:17:29.777-05:002012-12-06T21:17:29.777-05:00I don't blame the PB for simply stating a fact...I don't blame the PB for simply stating a fact: Lawrence has gone back on his (repeated) promises, and has been doing so since he stood up after his consecration. I doubt it, sincerely, if 815 wanted this situation. Seeing him as a victim in any way is simply handing him a victory. This cycle depends upon the idea. Frair Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03855036304956508405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15586866.post-70753040327395519892012-12-06T19:23:50.680-05:002012-12-06T19:23:50.680-05:00John, as far as being a victim of the PB misrepres...John, as far as being a victim of the PB misrepresenting what he said, that's manifest on the face of it. As for the rest: no, I don't assume that he's a victim. SC is where it is because they <i>and</i> the head offices want it there; the codependency is not exactly well-concealed.<br />C. Wingatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13335513246185768918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15586866.post-83198850619616054432012-12-06T18:10:11.501-05:002012-12-06T18:10:11.501-05:00You assume, of course, that Lawernce is just a vic...You assume, of course, that Lawernce is just a victim. From what I gather, from people on the ground, is that the situation is exactly what Bishop Salmon wanted. Systematically controlling the clergy allowed in the Diocese, using shame and fear to quell opposition have all been part and parcel of this. South Carolina is exactly where it, and it's Bishop, want it to be, except of course for the people who may just now be figuring out that they've been led down path.Frair Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03855036304956508405noreply@blogger.com